The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Courageous Leadership as a Daily Practice
Research professor Brené Brown and organizational psychologist Adam Grant are partnering on a new weekly podcast grounded in an unflinching commitment to learning and unlearning. At a time when public discourse rewards certainty over inquiry, The Curiosity Shop features two of the world's most sought-after experts on connection, change, and leadership making the case for slowing down, asking better questions, and embracing informed complexity over easy answers. Bringing together their left and right brain sensibilities — she’s a qualitative researcher; he’s a quantitative researcher — they explore some of the defining questions of our time, unpack the research reshaping how we live, lead, and love, and dive deep into the ideas, evidence, and cultural moments intriguing them the most. New episodes drop every Thursday. Part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Show Notes
In this Re:Thinking podcast episode recorded at Authors@Wharton, Brené joined Adam to dig into her book, Strong Ground. They explore why courage now has to mean being a learner instead of a knower, and why values aren't just what you care about-- they're what you sacrifice for. The conversation moves through the four skill sets of courage, why a value that isn't operationalized into behavior is just a poster with an eagle on it, and how to use the "story I'm making up" framework for hard conversations. They also get into executive presence, vulnerability, care, and why fake courage is easy to spot.
Strong Ground: The Lessons of Daring Leadership, the Tenacity of Paradox, and the Wisdom of the Human Spirit – Brené Brown, 2025, Random House
Research – Brené Brown (n.d.).
The discovery of grounded theory – Glaser & Strauss, 1967, Aldine
Awareness of dying – Glaser & Strauss, 1965, Aldine
De-tabooing dying control – Thulesius et al., 2013, BMC Palliative Care
Never Split The Difference – Chris Voss, May 24, 2016, TEDx University of Nevada
Expectancy Theory (Victor Vroom) – The Decision Lab, (n.d.)
Dare to lead: List of values – Brené Brown, 2018
Dare to Lead Hub – Brené Brown
Brené Brown brings Dare to Lead program to UT – University of Texas at Austin, 2020, UT News
Neural processing of narratives – Jääskeläinen et al., 2020, Frontiers in Human Neuroscience
The New Rules of Executive Presence – Sylvia Ann Hewlett, Jan-Feb 2024, Harvard Business Review
The Gifts of Imperfection - Your Guide to a Wholehearted Life: 10th Anniversary Collection – Brené Brown, 2010
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